Nokia Statement Backs Apple's iPhone Defense
Jul 16, 2010, 3:52 PM by Eric M. Zeman
Nokia today offered a statement to help put the iPhone 4 antenna issues into perspective. The company noted that it has invested thousands of hours studying how people use phones and has used the information learned to engineer antenna placement. Nokia said, "Nokia designs our phones to ensure acceptable performance in all real life cases, for example when the phone is held in either hand." Nokia points out that antenna design is complex, and is one of its core competencies. In fact, Nokia launched the first phone with an internal antenna, the 8810, in 1998. However, Nokia concedes that, "In general, antenna performance of a mobile device/phone may be affected with a tight grip, depending on how the device is held." This statement coincides with points made by Apple CEO Steve Jobs about the iPhone 4's antenna performance issue. Jobs noted that antenna design is tricky, and all smartphones are subject to signal attenuation when held in certain ways. Nokia agrees with that assessment.
source: Nokia
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Straight talk about the iPhone 4's Antenna
Since most of the stuff I'm reading is said by individuals who have never owned/touched an iPhone 4, and I'm one of the few iPhone 4 users on this site able to reproduce the attenuation, I'm going to clear up some of the BS.
1) Since iOS4.0.1 , you pretty much won't see a drop from 5 bars to nothing. Anyone claiming that this is happening when they 'hold theirs' likely doesn't own an iPhone 4.
2) Providing you're not interfering with the antenna- in weak coverage areas there is a significant improvement in data performance, and voice quality. Even where I used to be able to slow my data with a crawl on my iPhone 3G, the iPhone 4 is unfazed. By contrast, my Nexus One will switch to EDGE sporadically in the same situation (though...
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1) Since iOS4.0.1 , you pretty much won't see a drop from 5 bars to nothing. Anyone claiming that this is happening when they 'hold theirs' likely doesn't own an iPhone 4.
2) Providing you're not interfering with the antenna- in weak coverage areas there is a significant improvement in data performance, and voice quality. Even where I used to be able to slow my data with a crawl on my iPhone 3G, the iPhone 4 is unfazed. By contrast, my Nexus One will switch to EDGE sporadically in the same situation (though...
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First of all Google is not, nor have they ever been a phone manufacturer.
That being said, why shouldn't RIM, Sony, Samsung, HTC, or Palm talk? Apple has directly commented on the quality of their products. They are all entitled to defend their p...
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That being said, why shouldn't RIM, Sony, Samsung, HTC, or Palm talk? Apple has directly commented on the quality of their products. They are all entitled to defend their p...
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Mr. Jobs:
Enough is enough. We're not buying your crap. We don't want your iPhone. The world doesn't revolve around you. Android is here to stay and neither you or any other company can prevent that. Please stop making excuses by bringing in other ...
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Enough is enough. We're not buying your crap. We don't want your iPhone. The world doesn't revolve around you. Android is here to stay and neither you or any other company can prevent that. Please stop making excuses by bringing in other ...
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bluecoyote said:...
Since most of the stuff I'm reading is said by individuals who have never owned/touched an iPhone 4, and I'm one of the few iPhone 4 users on this site able to reproduce the attenuation, I'm going to clear up some
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bluecoyote said:
😎 The measured drop is about ~20db at most . Apple didn't cite this yesterday, so you're going off of my testing for this. This isn't really all that horrible.
You are a moron. -20 dB represents...
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I do beleive that one needs to carry the phone properly for one to get adequate signal, and I know that the only way for the phone to be carried properly would be for it be carried by a different "carrier".
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I challenge you to prove everything you have posted on this website. If you'd like I can do the same!
I'll quote everything I have said, and cite it to a reputable source. Where are your sources except for your "Because I'm the only iPhone user" ...
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I'll quote everything I have said, and cite it to a reputable source. Where are your sources except for your "Because I'm the only iPhone user" ...
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"7) With a bumper case on it you've got the best performing phone on AT&T's network I've used.
Cool The measured drop is about ~20db at most . Apple didn't cite this yesterday, so you're going off of my testing for this. This isn't really all that ...
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Cool The measured drop is about ~20db at most . Apple didn't cite this yesterday, so you're going off of my testing for this. This isn't really all that ...
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No way I'm getting an iPhone now
I was actually in the market for a new phone. I was getting tired of my old Crackberry and I was highly contemplating on purchasing the iPhone 4. But after hearing about all the issues with it on top of AT&T's newly changed data plans, I'm going with the Evo 4g now indefinitely. Those were my two choices and I was torn between the tool but this pretty much sealed the deal. A friend of mine who lives nearby has Clear and he says it's great. Sprint coverage is good over here too.
Sorry Apple but you lost this one. Such a shame cause I was very impressed initially. After it's announcement I had quickly decided that it would be my next phone ☹️ No love lost. AT&T sucks anyhow. I would have had more respect for Apple had they done a recall. I ...
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Sorry Apple but you lost this one. Such a shame cause I was very impressed initially. After it's announcement I had quickly decided that it would be my next phone ☹️ No love lost. AT&T sucks anyhow. I would have had more respect for Apple had they done a recall. I ...
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The sad part is that under Jobs second tenure Apple has gone from 'it just works, always' to 'hey, no fair other companies make products that suck too!' 🙄
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I was actually in the market for a new phone. I was getting tired of my old Crackberry and I was highly contemplating on purchasing the iPhone 4. But after hearing about all the issues with it on top of AT&T's newly c
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You do realize the Evo 4's 4G Reception is horrible, right? And you do realize you're buying a worse phone because of some moral stance you made up without actually verifying any of it in hand?
You may want to actually use an iPhone 4 before you d...
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You may want to actually use an iPhone 4 before you d...
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Uh, backs?
"Nokia designs our phones to ensure acceptable performance in all real life cases, for example when the phone is held in either hand."
It reads like a subtle jab at Apple.
Which Apple deserves. Because it sucks.
It reads like a subtle jab at Apple.
Which Apple deserves. Because it sucks.
What exactly makes you hate Apple so much?
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Nokia's actual quote is somewhat of a backhanded comment
In general, antenna performance of a mobile device/phone may be affected with a tight grip, depending on how the device is held. That's why Nokia designs our phones to ensure acceptable performance in all real life cases, for example when the phone is held in either hand. Nokia has invested thousands of man hours in studying how people hold their phones and allows for this in designs, for example by having antennas both at the top and bottom of the phone and by careful selection of materials and their use in the mechanical design.
While they agree that a tight grip affects signal strength, they go on to say that Nokia phones attend to these matters by designing around the antenna. In other words, Apple's design o...
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1) Where do you get this idea out there that there are 3 million Apple people who will bend over and justify any problems with their phone? They may like Apple, but they like Apple because they think Apple makes good products and backs them up.
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wow get a life looser
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I personally live in a major suburb south of St. Louis. Everyone I know lives within a few miles of Major cities, Detroit (scary), Chicago and LA. To be honest all of us live within a few miles of a tower. The only place I have had an issue...
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I personally live in a major suburb south of St. Louis. Everyone I know lives within a few miles of Major cities, Detroit (scary), Chicago and LA. To be honest all of us live within a few miles of a tower. The only place I have had an issue...
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im with phonescoop lord u have no idea what ur saying i also own one and i have no problem iphone 4 r good phones i think ur just pist u dont have one or something man really get a life like he said lmao 🤣
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Design Flaw?
I think it is simply as excuse for a design flaw. This is hearsay and unverified as far as I know, but I have been told the iPhone4 internal antenna runs around the entire perimeter of the phone, except for a small empty spot about a ½ inch. This design works fine until you happen to place your finger on that empty spot, you finger now complete a full "circuit" and the signal degrades or drops altogether. I am just waiting for the fun to begin when Apple starts pointing the finger at AT&T’s network.
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All phones are capable of dropping calls based on scenario, way it is held, et cetera. Anyone on this forum who didn't just get their first phone 2 days ago has dropped calls/been in a dead zone/lives ontop of an indian burial ground that completely %...
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There is a very simple solution. Just put an 8" rubber ducky antenna on top of the phone like Motorola did with the the old "Brick Phone". Then you can hold the phone any way you want, except by the antenna. Of course, some people would gripe that the...
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HelloMotto said:
I am just waiting for the fun to begin when Apple starts pointing the finger at AT&T’s network.
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u have a great point until
Two facts
Fact 1:
Touching the antenna on any radio enabled device of any kind will cause the effective shape of the antenna to change and hence the reception will suffer dramatically.
Fact 2:
This is why every respectable cellphone maker on the planet earth puts the antenna either INSIDE the device completely- or sticking out of the top in such a ridiculous manner that no one would ever consider holding the device by the antenna.
Not sure what part of this was so hard for the head engineer at Apple to understand...
Touching the antenna on any radio enabled device of any kind will cause the effective shape of the antenna to change and hence the reception will suffer dramatically.
Fact 2:
This is why every respectable cellphone maker on the planet earth puts the antenna either INSIDE the device completely- or sticking out of the top in such a ridiculous manner that no one would ever consider holding the device by the antenna.
Not sure what part of this was so hard for the head engineer at Apple to understand...
Apple has always emphasized form over function, they often make really bad engineering decisions to make a product look 'pretty' this is why Macbooks have batteries that soldered in and can't be removed, and why the Apple III had no air vents or fans ...
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Actually, not really. Post people don't understand the voodoo magic that tends to be RF engineering.
Now that a high profile device has shown just how tricky it can be, the public is becoming more aware and educated about it.
It's not one of th...
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Now that a high profile device has shown just how tricky it can be, the public is becoming more aware and educated about it.
It's not one of th...
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Tomb1312 said:
HA HA This is getting comical
Ok! 🤣 LMAO..2!
Nokia: 'we prioritize antenna performance over physical design if they are ever in conflict
Interesting how you interpret what Nokia actually said.. when it seems Apple took the opposite approach
Nokia: 'we prioritize antenna performance over physical design if they are ever in conflict'
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/nokia-we-prioriti ... »
Nokia: 'we prioritize antenna performance over physical design if they are ever in conflict'
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/nokia-we-prioriti ... »
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kingjerm420 said:
So quit kissing ass and go back under your rock! 😈
Best post ever
Why are you so angry? Did you lose money in Nokia stock?
Do you have any affiliations with Nokia that ended poorly?
Do you have any affiliations with Nokia that ended poorly?
F-ing A!!!!
Bottom line
This would not be a problem if they all went back to external antennas. Of course that will never happen. Bring back the NEC P-120 with the whip!
Bottom line
Basically, more then anything these devices are radio terminals. The antenna is critical
hey, when you desperate, you will do anything!
i guess Nokia is kissing Apple...
hoping Apple will buy them out..
with the way Nokia keep going down the toilet, that' the only way..
hoping Apple will buy them out..
with the way Nokia keep going down the toilet, that' the only way..
ZOMG! Hold on everyone!
Nokia spoke, now lets all pretend that the antenna is fine and go about our normal lives! I wonder what Nokia is getting from Apple for saying that load of b.s. Free iTunes $15 gift card for all Nokia executives? 🤣
🤣 🤣 🤣 !!!!
Seriously though, compared to Nokia Apple is an infant when it comes to making cellphones!!!
Seriously though, compared to Nokia Apple is an infant when it comes to making cellphones!!!
Isn't this the same company...
...that tried to diss Apple saying you can hold Nokia phones any way you want. This was followed by people posting Nokia phones also losing service when held a certain way...
motorola ... i guess ...
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