Palm Treo 800w

To be fair, a Blackberry can sync your calendar and address book. I don't recall if it will sync tasks.

The big strength of the BB is stability it is very rare for them to need a reset.

Arguably another strength is the relative simplicity - the typical user can utilize the core features without killing the device or getting all confused.

The newest BBs have truly closed the gap; over the last year alone they have seen the addition of voice dial (even over bluetooth - which the 800w can't do), gps, microsd, media player, camera, better screen, dual phone technology - Sim chip for international use

The Treo 800w has the con of it will need to be reset occasionally.

The strengths are numerous;
ability to work with attachments i...
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"To be fair, a Blackberry can sync your calendar and address book. I don't recall if it will sync tasks."

...yes...only when physically connected to a PC as I said.

If you use a blackbery with a BES it absolutely syncs calendar and address book it also does sync tasks I verified this yesterday, we have 500 of them doing this every day. This can be controlled by the BES admin if your experience is different.

If you use a BB with only BIS then it is more like using a treo to get gmail via pop and with both devices you don't get pim sync.

I've attached a blurb from blackberry.com

Use the BlackBerry® Enterprise Solution as a complete wireless platform to extend the benefits of your messaging and collaboration environment and other tools to your mobile professionals. The BlackBerry Enterprise Solution provides push-based access to email; calendar, contacts, tasks and notes; instant messaging; web-based applications and services and enterprise applications.

Here is the link for reference

http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/server/ »

and you have to have BES...Treo's require no such 3rd party server platform.

It ins't clear to me where this discussion is going.

The initial point was simply that BBs can also sync pim info ota and that both the 800w and BBs can and do fill the needs to different groups of people.

Both Treos and BBs need back end infrastructure to sync ota and neither are included with the purchase of an 800w or a BB.

Treos need an Exchange server and BBs need a BES.

If this thread is now morphing into something else I suggest we take it to email or to an Exchange vs BES forum.

For the record I personally have owned both devices and for my personal use I prefer the 800w of them all.

I know this thread has already gotten way off topic, but:

"Treos need an Exchange server and BBs need a BES"

Exchange server IS THE MAIL SERVER, BES IS NOT A MAIL SERVER...For any email, you need a mail server. Since treo's need nothing more than a mail server (exchange) than they can natively sync calendar, contacts, tasks etc. Most looking into either a treo or bb are going to be using it in conjunction with an exchange server as it's the most commonly used mail server platform and heavy business users (those looking at treo's and bb's) are thus likely going to have an exchange server available to them where as with the BB, you need a mail server AND a bes server/service.

So my point STILL stands. BB's require 2 server platforms ...
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Your statement "Exchange server IS THE MAIL SERVER" is NOT the case with many very large companies including mine.

There are other products in the world than MS Exchange. Exchange has grown in market share over the years, but many organizations both large and small don't use exchange.

In the case that Exchange is the mail server you should look at MS current best practices they recommend having a dedicated server in place for managing mobile devices and it IS NOT the Mail server.

This seems to be a personal issue with you very similar to a MAC vs PC type discussion.

The vast majority of people don't care what pieces of technology are needed to accomplish a particular business need - They simply want it to work and work reliably....
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I've been a systems admin for over a decade...I think I know what I'm talking about. Sure, there are a lot of companies that do not use exchange, of course, just as there are a lot of companies that do use a BES server. That's not the point though.

As soon as you can show me a BB directly attaching to an exchange server and sync'ing over the air contacts, calendar, tasks, email etc then I'll back off the this problem (again, IN MY OPINION) with BB's.

As for MS recommending a dedicated server for mobile devices, not so much on previous versions. They also just pushed out the new Exchange 2007 which utilizes like 5 servers to to do the same thing one server use to do (generally speaking) so that's not exactly a "ah haaa!" point bubs.
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