Saygus VPhone to Be Verizon's First Open Development Handset
Who really cares?
Feel good BS aside, this sounds like a way for Verizon to offer something that is really of no benefit to consumers or anyone other than people who dick around with their phones while trumpeting it as "the future."
So when this no-name device screws up, where am I going to go for support? Is it going to be like the days of Windows Mobile where the minute something touches it they recuse themselves of any responsibility if the phone keeps locking up?
So when this no-name device screws up, where am I going to go for support? Is it going to be like the days of Windows Mobile where the minute something touches it they recuse themselves of any responsibility if the phone keeps locking up?
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...any phone in the U.S. certainly. I've been hearing about stuff like this in Japan for years.
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Azeron said:
...any phone in the U.S. certainly. I've been hearing about stuff like this in Japan for years.
No you haven't. There's no phone in Japan that acts as a mifi router and is capable of two way voip together. Maybe somethings in the workds, but definately not 'for years' you're full of it.
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I think if AT&T were offering this device your tune would be a WHOLE different song.
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I don't know. You tell me? This phone (assuming it is not a hoax) would be freaking awesome on ANY carrier. Your negativity belies your bias against Verizon in my opinion. Hence my observation that if they had announced this for AT&T you would not be attacking this device.
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The only thing this has to do with Verizon (who will likely trump it as an "open device" and therefore superior) is that "Open" and "Good" have proven mutually exclusive. In the case of Verizon's Droid, "open development" was used as a straw-man argument in comparison to to other platforms which actually offer a richer development environment and less restrictions.
This lack of restrictions is not new- it has been present on Windows Mobile phones for a long time, but at the same time we've seen nothing but round after round of crappy WinMo devices (many of which I owned or had the displeasure of testing.)
My question is, at the end of the day, what is "open" about it.
This lack of restrictions is not new- it has been present on Windows Mobile phones for a long time, but at the same time we've seen nothing but round after round of crappy WinMo devices (many of which I owned or had the displeasure of testing.)
My question is, at the end of the day, what is "open" about it.
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It is a device that Verizon does not sell. They claimed that they would allow devices on their network (probably two years ago now) and they never did. Here is a device that they will have NOTHING to do with about to come down the pike. You better believe they will not be marketing THIS one. They won't want it to succeed just as Toyota and GM did with the electric cars. They are going to cross their fingers and hope it sells so that they can say "see we allowed this device and no one wanted it. Consumers don't WANT open devices."
Oh but we do! We absolutely do! If these guys only sell two of these then they will sell two to me.
Oh but we do! We absolutely do! If these guys only sell two of these then they will sell two to me.
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The problem is consumers want a lot of things that go against "open" devices- they want stuff to "work" - they want support if the thing screws up. Yes I want to be able to tinker, but I don't want someone telling me it's my fault my phone is locking up because I installed a 3rd party application from a reputable company.
I mean I applaud the concept, but I'm more concerned with someone making it work than someone just chucking out the hardware and specs. Otherwise it's just an expensive toy that nobody will want and carriers will cite it as a means to lock the phone down more.
I mean I applaud the concept, but I'm more concerned with someone making it work than someone just chucking out the hardware and specs. Otherwise it's just an expensive toy that nobody will want and carriers will cite it as a means to lock the phone down more.
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...but the point is that a few will. In fact, I believe that this will require consumers to port out or activate service with Saygus. I am not sure what their rate plans will entail. The device comes with a one year manufacturer warranty and has an extended warranty option for two additional years as well as an insurance option.
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Azeron and bluecoyote, you both raise good points. For me personally, I want options. If people are willing to pay for it, so be it.
You have to give Verizon credit. They have been so closed minded and controlling in the past. Almost as if it were socialism for cell phones lol. You know, like with putting the same stupid GUI on each phone and crippling certain features.
Well anyway Verizon seems to be listening the consumer and they're open to change. Lets not knock them for that.
You have to give Verizon credit. They have been so closed minded and controlling in the past. Almost as if it were socialism for cell phones lol. You know, like with putting the same stupid GUI on each phone and crippling certain features.
Well anyway Verizon seems to be listening the consumer and they're open to change. Lets not knock them for that.
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I don't believe Verizon truly wants this device (or others of its type) to succeed, so I will be keeping a close eye on this project. I never dreamed in a million years that they were doing more than paying lip service to the idea of allowing non-VZW branded devices to be activated on their network. So yeah I will give them credit...for the moment. Let's see how this whole thing plays out.
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Azeron said:
I don't believe Verizon truly wants this device (or others of its type) to succeed, so I will be keeping a close eye on this project. .
I didn't know you were a CEO for Verizon. I think your opinion is unfounded and wrong. Why would ths phone be branded for VZW if they didn't want it? Do you have any idea what the process is used to brand it for VZW, how much ths costs, or how ****ing amazing the features are compared to any phone on any network? You're out of your mind to think they don't want this. This phone coupled with their new advertising blitz krieg against AT&T is going to steal a lot of customers from a lot of carriers.
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Except they pulled the "iDon't" commercials because it was selling iPhones. What do you think people are going to do when the go to the mall to check the "droid"?
Next they walk 5 mins grab a pretzel and go to the AT&T Store to check the iPhone out. Bad idea on VZW's part, they should have had Don Draper from Mad Men check it out first.
Next they walk 5 mins grab a pretzel and go to the AT&T Store to check the iPhone out. Bad idea on VZW's part, they should have had Don Draper from Mad Men check it out first.
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Why wouldn't Verizon want this to succeed? What happens when you sign up as a new customer and you buy your phone from VZW: they subsidize your phone, which costs them money.
Then what happens when you don't understand how your phone works and you call customer service: they have to pay someone to help you, which costs them money.
Then what happnes when you think your phone is not functioning correctly during the first year and you call the warranty center or take it into a retail store with tech support: they CLNR it, which costs them money.
The only way they make money is when everything goes right and you pay your monthly bill.
With a phone that customers purchase outright from some other provider that Verizon doesn't have to market, ...
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Then what happens when you don't understand how your phone works and you call customer service: they have to pay someone to help you, which costs them money.
Then what happnes when you think your phone is not functioning correctly during the first year and you call the warranty center or take it into a retail store with tech support: they CLNR it, which costs them money.
The only way they make money is when everything goes right and you pay your monthly bill.
With a phone that customers purchase outright from some other provider that Verizon doesn't have to market, ...
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I agree but the only thing is carriers WANT customers to sign contracts. There is nothing like guaranteed subscribers.
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What makes you think this is a device that Verizon won't sell? It says it will at the bottom of the article, here it is:
"Saygus believes the device will be available late 2009 or early 2010 through most of Verizon's sales channels."
"Saygus believes the device will be available late 2009 or early 2010 through most of Verizon's sales channels."
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Well, most consumers aren't aware that they can get cell phones outside of their carriers stores, at least with GSM you can, I do.
But the article does say that this phone will be sold through Verizon channels.
But the article does say that this phone will be sold through Verizon channels.
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I figure that I will need to save $200 per month so that I can buy it when it drops (is released). 🙂
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Azeron,
I don't use VZW, but this is one nice phone, good pick up for VZW. Would I be concerned its an off brand phone, sure, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker. Might also be a good idea not to be the first one on the block with it. If it pans out, and was with VZW, sure I'd get it.
I don't use VZW, but this is one nice phone, good pick up for VZW. Would I be concerned its an off brand phone, sure, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker. Might also be a good idea not to be the first one on the block with it. If it pans out, and was with VZW, sure I'd get it.
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Don't you seriously have anything better to do with your time than be a complete Verizon hater?
Please, take up a hobby like putting ships into bottles and get off the internet.
Please, take up a hobby like putting ships into bottles and get off the internet.
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you just have to ignore bluecoyote. Most regular phone scoopers already know that he has lost all credibility a long time ago and take what he says with a grain of salt, if not a comedic rant. What gets me is that if this phone had an apple on the back of it and worked on AT&T, he would be touting it as the greatest invention since the wheel. Reality is the iphone is not really that great of a phone compared to what else is on the market now. Its made by Apple which has a vocal (but small) cult following that hypes everything up to the point that most average and uneducated consumers buy into that crap.
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By supporting unbranded devices on the network, Verizon is losing the stranglehold grip on "Full Retail Price" that they've had for years.
Under a locked down device distribution system, VZW has created its own monopoly over its handset supply chain. VZW can tell you they're subidizing the Droid or Storm2 by $450 because THEY SET the retail price arbitrarily to be whatever number they want it to be so that they can claim they are helping the customers more by subsidizing the handsets $XXX.XX every time a contract is renewed.
Having COMPARABLE unsubsidized devices available that are priced under a true supply and demand model rather then a locked down distribution scheme will change the prices VZW can claim as "Retail Cost" for the dev...
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Under a locked down device distribution system, VZW has created its own monopoly over its handset supply chain. VZW can tell you they're subidizing the Droid or Storm2 by $450 because THEY SET the retail price arbitrarily to be whatever number they want it to be so that they can claim they are helping the customers more by subsidizing the handsets $XXX.XX every time a contract is renewed.
Having COMPARABLE unsubsidized devices available that are priced under a true supply and demand model rather then a locked down distribution scheme will change the prices VZW can claim as "Retail Cost" for the dev...
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